Mo' old a.h.ww posts
Nov. 13th, 2003 11:57 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
ferineKinda long slew of posts to follow.
Damn I loved ahww.
Sometimes we had rows and got hurt, badly even... but we were a family. Hell, some of the friends I made back then are still close friends. That's amazing to me, and I'm grateful.
From: KatmanDu (KATMANDU@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU)
Subject: Re: True Lycanthropy
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-12-12 22:15:47 PST
In article <3cinuv$76g@mark.ucdavis.edu>
ez049491@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (James Harrion III) writes:
>Perhaps the word lycanthropy is a bit confusing at this point. Anyone
>besides me heard of the term 'therianthropy' (sp) which is a more general
>term for lycanthropy?
Not until now.. Webster's gives me theriomorphic- having an animal form.
Has possibilities... --katman (who learned a new word today!) du
From: michael william macklin (macklin@hubble.sheridanc.on.ca)
Subject: Re: True Lycanthropy
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-12-14 09:15:21 PST
James Harrion III (ez049491@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu) wrote:
: Perhaps the word lycanthropy is a bit confusing at this point. Anyone
: besides me heard of the term 'therianthropy' (sp) which is a more general
: term for lycanthropy?
I have used the term 'therianthropic' to describe my spirits, as (yes)
lycanthropy is quite specific. They (my wolves) are lycanthropic, but their
shifting is extremely rare, if at all (and never human!).
As I see it, therianthropy applies to *any* human/animal form,
regardless of history, powers, or other attributes.
: : Someone once told me that upon
: : death, a lycanthrope actually becomes a vampyre. Is there any truth to
: : this?
I hope not.
If I found myself after death as a vamp,
I'd put the stake through my own heart......
---Lycaon
"They do it with \"""---c__ \ / __r---"""7
their eyes....." "c / T"\. \ / ,/"T \ c"
Whitley Strieber, The Wild "c ( l I\ \ / /I l ) c"
"I "-' s s `-" I"
Michael.Macklin@SHERIDANC.ON.CA ""-----' `-----""
From: Crystal or Moria (cvf2@cornell.edu)
Subject: Re: True Lycanthropy
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-12-14 14:35:17 PST
In article <d0t99m.mf7@eclipse.sheridanc.on.ca>,
macklin@hubble.sheridanc.on.ca (michael william macklin) wrote:
> : : Someone once told me that upon
> : : death, a lycanthrope actually becomes a vampyre. Is there any truth to
> : : this?
>
> I hope not.
>
> If I found myself after death as a vamp,
> I'd put the stake through my own heart......
*SPLAT* whap-whap-whap-whap-whap-whap! *SPLAT!!!* Take
that, you blasphemous lycanthrope!!
--
Good morning, Worm, Your Honor.
The Crown will plainly show
The prisoner who now stands before you
Was caught red-handed showing feelings...
of an almost human nature.
Shame on him. This will not do.
--Pink Floyd "The Trial"
From: michael william macklin (macklin@hubble.sheridanc.on.ca)
Subject: Re: True Lycanthropy
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-12-16 15:53:57 PST
Crystal or Moria (cvf2@cornell.edu) wrote:
:
: *SPLAT* whap-whap-whap-whap-whap-whap! *SPLAT!!!* Take
: that, you blasphemous lycanthrope!!
:
:
ACK!
Torrle zips around, but not in time to see his marauder's escape!
After shaking loose the now-melting projectiles in his fur, Torrle sneaks
stealthily in her general direction, low to the ground, trying to pick up
her trailing scent....
Noticing a fresh set of tracks, the wolf bounds along them in a
playful attempt to pursue her. The pawprints follow around a large pine
tree with snow-burdened branches that sweep low to the ground, and suddenly
stop. Torrle stands there......confused.
---Lycaon (as Torrle)
"Now where did she go?"
"They do it with \"""---c__ \ / __r---"""7
their eyes....." "c / T"\. \ / ,/"T \ c"
Whitley Strieber, The Wild "c ( l I\ \ / /I l ) c"
"I "-' s s `-" I"
Michael.Macklin@SHERIDANC.ON.CA ""-----' `-----""
From: Crystal or Moria (cvf2@cornell.edu)
Subject: Re: True Lycanthropy
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-12-17 05:03:32 PST
In article <d0xh1x.mrp@eclipse.sheridanc.on.ca>,
macklin@hubble.sheridanc.on.ca (michael william macklin) wrote:
> Crystal or Moria (cvf2@cornell.edu) wrote:
> :
> : *SPLAT* whap-whap-whap-whap-whap-whap! *SPLAT!!!* Take
> : that, you blasphemous lycanthrope!!
> :
> :
>
> ACK!
>
> Torrle zips around, but not in time to see his marauder's escape!
> After shaking loose the now-melting projectiles in his fur, Torrle sneaks
> stealthily in her general direction, low to the ground, trying to pick up
> her trailing scent....
> Noticing a fresh set of tracks, the wolf bounds along them in a
> playful attempt to pursue her. The pawprints follow around a large pine
> tree with snow-burdened branches that sweep low to the ground, and suddenly
> stop. Torrle stands there......confused.
>
> ---Lycaon (as Torrle)
> "Now where did she go?"
Pawprints? Hmm... interesting. What KIND of pawprints? (the vampire
suspects she may not be alone in the tree after all... but what kind of
creature could lie undetected within her personal domain?)
Setting aside puzzling thoughts for the moment, Crystal gives the tree a
good shake, releasing a large cascade of snow that buries the confused
Torrle up to his nose. Now, about those pawprints...
From: KEITH PEPIN (keith.pepin@enest.com)
Subject: Re: True Lycanthropy
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-12-17 06:58:00 PST
-> Torrle zips around, but not in time to see his marauder's escape!
-> After shaking loose the now-melting projectiles in his fur, Torrle
-> sneaks stealthily in her general direction, low to the ground, trying
-> to pick up her trailing scent....
-> Noticing a fresh set of tracks, the wolf bounds along them in a
-> playful attempt to pursue her. The pawprints follow around a large
-> pine tree with snow-burdened branches that sweep low to the ground,
-> and suddenly stop. Torrle stands there......confused.
Keith takes advantage of Torrle's confusion, and freezer scrapings go
[WHOOSH]...
[ducking and running]
Keith Pepin
The Wolf
the_wolf@tmok.com
From: Michael Turner (mturner@primenet.com)
Subject: Re: True Lycanthropy
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-12-21 10:16:39 PST
In article <pine.sol.3.91.941207222852.2109e-100000@utkux1> dranos@utkux1.utk.edu (RICHARD) writes:
>From: dranos@utkux1.utk.edu (RICHARD)
>Subject: True Lycanthropy
>Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 22:45:16 -0500 (EST)
>To those who know:
> I know there are probably not too many lycanthropes on this net as
>they tend to keep to themselves in the wilderness. However, if there are
>some on-line, I have a few questions for you. Is lycanthropy an in-born
>trait or can it be transmitted through other means (like a bite). I know
>lupines hate vampyres, but why are those vampyres from the Gangrel clan
>not attacked?
Arghh!! Don't confuse the White Wolf fantasy game with reality! If you look
in any good dictionary you will see that the word gangrel is actually a
Scottish term for vagrant. If you are really are speaking in terms of the
White Wolf universe on the other hand, I can assure you it is purely a myth
that Gangrels are immune to the scorn of werewolves. On the few occasions
when the Gangrel is accepted by a werewolf, it is because of an initial
misunderstanding as to the true nature of the Gangrel.
In folklore there are many ways to become a werewolf:
-Be born the seventh son of the seven son
-The son of a preacher
-Be bitten by a werewolf (but you knew that)
-Heredity
-Evil deeds
-Become possessed by the appropriate animal spirit
-Find a shaman to teach you the proper ritual
The ritual method usually involves:
- bathing, imbibing, or rubbing on certain herbs which are often
halucinagenic
-donning a wolf or human skin
-running around in the wilderness
-Occasionally, acts of cannibalism
Are they not considered to be part of the corrupting force >(the
Wyrm)? What other lycanthrops are there besides lupines? Do they >all have
the same views of the world as far as the Weaver, the Wyld, and >the Wyrm?
This always puzzled me. In the White Wolf universe most lycanthropes start
off in the wolf or human society. Upon reaching puberity they undergo their
first change. If all goes right they are discovered by their fellow
lycanthropes and adopted into a pack. What I would like to know is how the
adoptee becomes so thoroughly brainwashed into the garou belief system after
having spent most of his/her life in a totally different society.
Can a shapeshifter, being mortal
enemies of vampyres, actually >be Embraced by one (converted into one)?
Yep, it's called an abomination. In theory they are forlorn and regected by
their society, doomed to roam the world alone. In practice they are
game unbalancing monsters who go around kicking everyone's ass.
Someone once told me that upon >death, a lycanthrope actually becomes a
vampyre. Is there any truth to >this? If you do not wish to respond on the
net, my e-mail address >is dranos@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU
I've only ever incountered this myth in Polish folklore. This same folklore
tends to confuse vampire and werewolves so I wouldn't put too much stock in
it. On the other hand Polish folklore seems to talk about the same
phosphorescent (I kid you not), shapechanging blood drinkers that native
Mexican folklore speaks of.
Holly Turner
Tempe, Arizona mturner@primenet.com
From: Holger Alsmeier (holger@radar.sauerland.de)
Subject: Re: True Lycanthropy
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-12-20 17:30:37 PST
dylan@nick.csh.rit.edu (Gary Coulbourne) writes:
#In article <mturner.203.00383e12@primenet.com> mturner@primenet.com (Michael Turner) writes:
#
#I was always led to believe that it was the BASTARD son of a preacher. This
#was used in Neil Jordan's A COMPANY OF WOLVES and Alan Chronister's CRY WOLF.
#
#I may be wrong though...too early in the morning to check my sources.
#
Yeah, sorry, you're kind of wrong. But only kind of. As this is a Roman-Catho-
lic myth (or so I believe), ANY child of a preacher would be a bastard. After
all, they are to live in celibacy - although few of them did (or do). :-]
Howls from the shattered mirror,
H.
From: Crystal or Moria (cvf2@cornell.edu)
Subject: Re: True Lycanthropy
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-12-22 06:16:24 PST
In article <788002237snx@radar.sauerland.de>, holger@radar.sauerland.de
(Holger Alsmeier) wrote:
>
> Yeah, sorry, you're kind of wrong. But only kind of. As this is a Roman-Catho-
> lic myth (or so I believe), ANY child of a preacher would be a bastard.
>
Ah, but R.C. has padres or priests, not preachers, ministers, or pastors;
who are protestant. At least in the education I recieved.
Moria, who is feeling picky.
From: Michael Turner (mturner@primenet.com)
Subject: Re: True Lycanthropy
Date: 1994-12-28 15:48:05 PST
In article <788002237snx@radar.sauerland.de> holger@radar.sauerland.de (Holger Alsmeier) writes:
>From: holger@radar.sauerland.de (Holger Alsmeier)
>Subject: Re: True Lycanthropy
>Date: Wed, 21 Dec 94 02:30:37 +0100
> dylan@nick.csh.rit.edu (Gary Coulbourne) writes:
>#In article <mturner.203.00383e12@primenet.com> mturner@primenet.com (Michael
>Turner) writes:
>#
>#I was always led to believe that it was the BASTARD son of a preacher. This
>#was used in Neil Jordan's A COMPANY OF WOLVES and Alan Chronister's CRY WOLF.
>#
>#I may be wrong though...too early in the morning to check my sources.
>#
>Yeah, sorry, you're kind of wrong. But only kind of. As this is a Roman-Catho-
>lic myth (or so I believe), ANY child of a preacher would be a bastard. After
>all, they are to live in celibacy - although few of them did (or do). :-]
> Howls from the shattered mirror,
> H.
Oh dear, my Catholic upbringing is showing. I'll have to be more careful.
I believe the bastard son of a preacher is also correct. Since Catholic
priests are supposed to be celibate then all their children would be bastards.
Add to the list of potential werewolves anyone who has been excommunicated
from the church.
Holly Turner
Tempe, Arizona mturner@primenet.com
******
From: SMASH of the TUCHUX (smash@cse.utoledo.edu)
Subject: Re: How do you know....
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-11-14 21:46:08 PST
=============================================================================
: So what happens to weres who never realize it? Does it kind of 'spill over'
: into the rest of their lives that they're basically unfulfilled and don't
: know it?
Well, we had the long thread about the hollow spot that everyone has.
It must be filled in order to feel complete. Most people try to fill
it with material things,a nd believe that he who dies with th most
toys wins. Not entirely true. The hollow spot can only really be
filled with spiritual things such as love, wisdom, companionship,
belonging,a nd the like. Material things only offer temporary fixes
for the emptiness of the hollow spot, and are soon replaced with more
material junk.
But the spiritual "belongings" such as the kind mentioned above can
last forever. They are what makes up who we are, and what can be
referred to as charachter.
Part of my Lycanthropy is the gathering of the wisdom to know what
offerings in my life will fill the hollow spot, and what will only
clutter it up.
Look at the lyric in my .sig file below. I don't know the name of
the band who sings it yet. I hear it in the car, and thought that
those lines (First part of the CHorus) mad a pretty profound statement
about the way the youth of our country is being brought up in a almost
entirely material world.
: : "I'm a 21st Century digital boy...
: : I donno how to live,
: : but I got a lotta toys!
: :
: : MY daddy's a lazy middle class intellectual...
: : my mommy's on valium..."
|==============================================| I'm a 21st Century digital
| | boy... I dunno how to live,
| smash@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu | but I got a lotta toys...
| *THE PARTICLE BOARD* BBS (419)531-4818 | /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
| War Eagle Clan : Mighty Tribe of the TUCHUX! | \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
|"I have taken all knowlege to be my province" | In Wildness is the pres-
| - Francis Bacon| ervation of the world. So
|==============================================| Seek the WOLF in Thyself!
Also check out "Self Esteem" by The Offspring - A rippin tune if I must say so myself
From: Windigo The Feral (windigo@thepoint.com)
Subject: Re: How do you know....
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-11-18 17:17:19 PST
ez049491@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (James Harrion III) writes:
:So what happens to weres who never realize it? Does it kind of 'spill over'
:into the rest of their lives that they're basically unfulfilled and don't
:know it?
Generally that, but to a very severe degree; many actually go insane, or
think they're fucking nuts because they would like to strip off their
clothes and go totally feral, but they don't know why...
Generally, weres who never realize that they're weres end up as loners or
with a lot of problems stemming from the fact they're unfufilled, not
unlike gay people in fundamentalist communities.
*gentle nuzzle*
--
-Windigo The Feral (NYAR!) -- Home Sec., aka Dobe Warrior Artemis--KtT,
CCA--St., COB, COTABI--The 2000AD Mailinglist is now OPEN! Send mail to
mailserv@thepoint.com saying "sub thrillpower" (your address) in body to
subscribe...FTP archive at ftp.thepoint.com, dir /pub/text/thrillpower/
From: KatmanDu (KATMANDU@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU)
Subject: Re: How do you know....
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-11-25 22:14:16 PST
In article <3b064a$6o6@newsbf01.news.aol.com>
nextwizard@aol.com (NextWizard) writes:
>Do you have to be born with a certain sense (?) to be a were, or can it
>just happen?
I think it could go three ways: You're born that way; something makes you that
way; or you actively seek to be that way. Me, I think I'm a little #1 and a
lot #3...
From: NextWizard (nextwizard@aol.com)
Subject: Re: How do you know....
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-11-26 04:45:17 PST
In article <1707A116A.KATMANDU@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>, KATMANDU@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
(KatmanDu) writes:
:I think it could go three ways: You're born that way; something makes you that
:way; or you actively seek to be that way. Me, I think I'm a little #1 and
a
lot #3...
Actively seek to be that way, huh? Actively. This is as active as I
usually am, at least with trying to be that way. I've made many trips to
the library and stuff like that. I guess all I have to do now is wait,
right? :-)
From: KatmanDu (KATMANDU@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU)
Subject: Re: How do you know....
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-11-26 13:32:34 PST
In article <3b7akt$lfn@newsbf01.news.aol.com>
nextwizard@aol.com (NextWizard) writes:
>Actively seek to be that way, huh? Actively. This is as active as I
>usually am, at least with trying to be that way. I've made many trips to
>the library and stuff like that. I guess all I have to do now is wait,
>right? :-)
Seek it here *points to head* and here *points to heart*.
--KatmanDu
*******
From: Emil Gilliam (emilg@okcforum.osrhe.edu)
Subject: Shapeshifting meditation/visualization
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-11-14 20:13:06 PST
Yes, it's me again, the one who posted the "sensation of shapeshifting"
question a couple of weeks ago.
Although I'm not into "spiritual lycanthropy" in the sense that many
regular posters on a.h.ww are, I have been interested in simple meditation
exercises which cause a rudimentary sensation of shape- or size-shifting.
I figured out an easy one which you all might be interested in. (Sorry if
this is off-topic. It may be up to the more frequent posters here to
decide whether or not it's off-topic.)
While in bed, lie on your back. Then, with your elbows resting on the
bed to either side of you, point your upper arms straight up, and point
your palms inward. Your hands should be 1.5 to 2 feet from your face, and
maybe 1 foot from each other. Your hands should also be relaxed, in their
natural slightly-curled position. Then, (while your eyes are closed and
you are visualizing this) very slowly open your hands until they are
outstretched and open as much as possible. If you concentrate right, (and
it's easy to do this, at least for me) it will feel like your hands are
actually growing as you open them, to maybe double or triple their size.
Also, for the opposite effect, very slowly start closing your hands,
without making a fist (just until your fingers meet at a point). They
might feel like they are shrinking. (Actually, for me it works better if I
do one hand first and then the other hand. I'm left-handed, but for me it
works better if I do the right hand first.)
Don't be too hasty about it; it takes a few minutes to where you have a
sustainable illusion of your hands feeling 2X or 3X the size. Once I got
it to this point, then, without making any further movement (just through
simple concentration) I felt like my forearms were lengthening, then my
upper arms, my legs & torso, and that my head was growing until I felt
maybe 12 feet tall.
This is about as far as my knowledge goes when it comes to meditation
techniques. There may be better message areas for this. However, I just
thought I'd mention it because along with the size-shifting sensation I
mentioned above, it might be used as a framework for simple visualization
exercises for shapeshifting into the wereanimal of your choice.
To anyone who cares, please try it and post a message saying whether or
not it had any effect at all, and whether any interesting results occured
at all after you had the basic procedure down pat. Flames to /dev/null,
please -- some of you probably know much more about this than I do; I
mentioned this because it's not hard to do and would be a simple thing to
try.
Emil Gilliam
P.S. If it worked better for you with one hand first, tell in your post
whether it was your right hand or left hand that worked better when you did
it with that hand first, and also tell whether you're left-handed or
right-handed. I doubt that there will be any correlation, but you never
can tell.
From: SMASH of the TUCHUX (smash@cse.utoledo.edu)
Subject: Re: Shapeshifting meditation/visualization
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-11-15 18:56:11 PST
Emil Gilliam (emilg@okcforum.osrhe.edu) wrote:
: Yes, it's me again, the one who posted the "sensation of shapeshifting"
: question a couple of weeks ago.
: To anyone who cares, please try it and post a message saying whether or
: not it had any effect at all, and whether any interesting results occured
: at all after you had the basic procedure down pat. Flames to /dev/null,
: please -- some of you probably know much more about this than I do; I
: mentioned this because it's not hard to do and would be a simple thing to
: try.
: Emil Gilliam
: P.S. If it worked better for you with one hand first, tell in your post
: whether it was your right hand or left hand that worked better when you did
: it with that hand first, and also tell whether you're left-handed or
: right-handed. I doubt that there will be any correlation, but you never
: can tell.
I'm right handed... I tried it with my right hand first. I dit it as I sat
here alone at work at night, sitting setentarilyt at the computer, AS I read
your post. I didn't even have to be lying down, just relaxed.
Yer on the right track though. With similar thought patterns, I have been
able to create the experience of leaving my body, even to the feeling of
slipping through my skin, which incedentally felt like my body was sliding
through a thick meniscus on top of water, or gelatin, or something like that.
Rather unique. It is probably the closest sensation one could imagine a
baby feels as it exit's it's mother's womb at birth. Only I didn't exit
into coldness, I exited into neutrality, and I could see myself below. I
was only about a foot above... When I realized just what I had acomplished,
I slammed back down, and jumped up out of bed.
I have found that atmospherics help bring me to a centered state to do this
sort of thing, burning incense, or sage, or other sacred herbs, colored,
or candle light, and perhaps appropriate music to "neutralize" the
often too material feel of the room surrounding me... to give the mechanical
world a more natural feel.
--
|==============================================| I'm a 21st Century digital
| | boy... I dunno how to live,
| smash@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu | but I got a lotta toys...
| *THE PARTICLE BOARD* BBS (419)531-4818 | /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
| War Eagle Clan : Mighty Tribe of the TUCHUX! | \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
|"I have taken all knowlege to be my province" | In Wildness is the pres-
| - Francis Bacon| ervation of the world. So
|==============================================| Seek the WOLF in Thyself!
******
From: Kenneth D Miller (kdmiller@ATHENA.MIT.EDU)
Subject: just a question
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-11-12 13:14:01 PST
Hello again, I have just a little question for you all, relating to were-ness
and race. Please note that this is independent of whether I or you think
physical weres exist, since it relates to my fictional background and not the
real world.
1. Are human-form race and were-form species related?
Specifically, if you assume that a given were-type would originate in the
same region that the normal animal lives, would the were's human form resemble
the people indiginous to that region, or something different?
2. Another good "hmmmm..." question for you all is, should physical shape-
shifters be genetically compatible with normal people (including "spiritual
weres", which are humans with more developed psychic force)
3. Do you think that shapeshifters would be distinctly different from normal
people. I.e., if you compared a large number of shifters and humans, would
there be any detectable difference (larger, stronger, tougher, faster, more
aggressive?)
4. Can shapechangers go "all the way" to animal form, with various intermediate
stages (a la Werewolf: the Apocalypse), or go no further than a half-human
form (a la K.O. Century Beast)? Or, can they do nothing BUT go to animal form
(a la conventional legend)?
MY current answeres to the questions are:
1. Weres resemble the native humans becaue they developed in similar
environments. For instance, werelions in africa and weretigers in India have
dark skin due to the hot sun.
2. I currently say no, humans & shifters aren't compatible, but sometimes I
change my mind. It boils down to whether I think weres are genetically/
magically/nanotechnologically enhanced warriors created long ago (or in the
far future), or they're actually humanity's true form, or they're a particular
branch of paranaturally-gifted humans. It varies, so the answer varies.
3. I currently say yes. Even in human form, they derive some physical
characteristics from their beast half. That is, they never become "completely"
human. If you like the paranatural explanation, maybe it's an outward sign of
their "totem animal"
4. I originaly went for a halfway-approach. Then I came up with the same
approach W:tA used (though years earlier, and without the angst-ridden
background... B^>). Now I'm entertaining notions of going back to the halfway
approach. Mind you, this final form is very animal-like, except that it is
intelligent and capable of standing upright.
Ah well, enough for today. Have fun...
--
Ken! "Evil is afoot!"
"Really, that's very philosophical, Tick. A foot? I always
envisioned evil as a dark, brooding shape with sqinty eyes..."
From: James Harrion III (ez049491@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu)
Subject: Re: just a question
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-11-12 14:31:46 PST
Kenneth D Miller (kdmiller@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) wrote:
: Hello again, I have just a little question for you all, relating to were-ness
: and race. Please note that this is independent of whether I or you think
: physical weres exist, since it relates to my fictional background and not the
: real world.
: 1. Are human-form race and were-form species related?
: Specifically, if you assume that a given were-type would originate in the
: same region that the normal animal lives, would the were's human form resemble
: the people indiginous to that region, or something different?
I'm actually really curious. I hate to answer a question with a question,
but here goes:
If two different kinds of weres had children, would the children be weres
as well?
: 2. Another good "hmmmm..." question for you all is, should physical shape-
: shifters be genetically compatible with normal people (including "spiritual
: weres", which are humans with more developed psychic force)
Genetically compatible, I think so. Socially compatible is another matter
entirely. This is kind of personal, but does anyone here have were parents
or are they human?
: 3. Do you think that shapeshifters would be distinctly different from normal
: people. I.e., if you compared a large number of shifters and humans, would
: there be any detectable difference (larger, stronger, tougher, faster, more
: aggressive?)
Wouldn't a more relevant comparison be between individuals of the same
werespecies? After all, werebears are going to have a lot more in common
with each other than with the windigowak or the werewolves. However, if you
did make this comparison I think you would find a difference, but I'm not
sure exactly what.
: 4. Can shapechangers go "all the way" to animal form, with various intermediate
: stages (a la Werewolf: the Apocalypse), or go no further than a half-human
: form (a la K.O. Century Beast)? Or, can they do nothing BUT go to animal form
: (a la conventional legend)?
I really have no idea. I've never physically shapeshifted.
: MY current answeres to the questions are:
: 1. Weres resemble the native humans becaue they developed in similar
: environments. For instance, werelions in africa and weretigers in India have
: dark skin due to the hot sun.
If this is true, though, would a werelion that moved to Alaska grow a thicker
coat and adapt to the climate?
: 2. I currently say no, humans & shifters aren't compatible, but sometimes I
: change my mind. It boils down to whether I think weres are genetically/
: magically/nanotechnologically enhanced warriors created long ago (or in the
: far future), or they're actually humanity's true form, or they're a particular
: branch of paranaturally-gifted humans. It varies, so the answer varies.
Remember, if shifters and humans are incompatible then everyone here who
thinks they have normal parents was either adopted or had shifter parents,
assuming of course becoming a shifter is genetic. I will say now this may be
a potentially invalid assumption.
: 3. I currently say yes. Even in human form, they derive some physical
: characteristics from their beast half. That is, they never become "completely"
: human. If you like the paranatural explanation, maybe it's an outward sign of
: their "totem animal"
: 4. I originaly went for a halfway-approach. Then I came up with the same
: approach W:tA used (though years earlier, and without the angst-ridden
: background... B^>). Now I'm entertaining notions of going back to the halfway
: approach. Mind you, this final form is very animal-like, except that it is
: intelligent and capable of standing upright.
Just my $.02
JHIII
"You think I speak for the University of California? Yeah, right!"
From: Julie Ann Swindell (jaswinde@unity.ncsu.edu)
Subject: Re: just a question
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-11-14 09:27:16 PST
In article <3a3foi$gh0@mark.ucdavis.edu>,
James Harrion III <ez049491@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu> wrote:
>Kenneth D Miller (kdmiller@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) wrote:
>
>Genetically compatible, I think so. Socially compatible is another matter
>entirely. This is kind of personal, but does anyone here have were parents
>or are they human?
>
Well my mom taught me to howl at the moon when I was young, but
she just may have been nurturing me.
>Just my $.02
>
>JHIII
>"You think I speak for the University of California? Yeah, right!"
>
>: Ah well, enough for today. Have fun...
>: --
>: Ken! "Evil is afoot!"
>: "Really, that's very philosophical, Tick. A foot? I always
>: envisioned evil as a dark, brooding shape with sqinty eyes..."
Dreamdance
From: Jan Hilborn (jhilborn@moose.uvm.edu)
Subject: Re: just a question
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-11-13 13:00:56 PST
Kenneth D Miller (kdmiller@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) wrote:
: 1. Are human-form race and were-form species related?
hmmm, well, i think: not. To my mind the wereform would be whatever
species most closely matched the humanform's "self". Probably someone who
had never heard of lions could not be a werelion but someone with were
tendencies could find their wereself in any known (to them) species.
: 2. Another good "hmmmm..." question for you all is, should physical shape-
: shifters be genetically compatible with normal people (including "spiritual
: weres", which are humans with more developed psychic force)
i think yes. I think of weres as humans with some difference (just as
dogs are wolves with some differnce).
: 3. Do you think that shapeshifters would be distinctly different from normal
: people. I.e., if you compared a large number of shifters and humans, would
: there be any detectable difference (larger, stronger, tougher, faster, more
: aggressive?)
maybe. (gee, i've voted one no, one yes, and now a maybe... what a
consistant child i am). Maybe within a were type (wolves for exampple)
there might be some detectable trend. But i'm skepticle... humans are
such a variable species that any trend would only be that... there would
always be werelike humans and non-werelike weres.
: 4. Can shapechangers go "all the way" to animal form, with various intermediate
: stages (a la Werewolf: the Apocalypse), or go no further than a half-human
: form (a la K.O. Century Beast)? Or, can they do nothing BUT go to animal form
: (a la conventional legend)?
i only envision two forms... human and animal... both with some sense of
the other and some abilities. Wolf with human thoughts, human with wolf
senses... that sorta stuff...
but these certainly are only my points of view...
Vladwolf
Damn I loved ahww.
Sometimes we had rows and got hurt, badly even... but we were a family. Hell, some of the friends I made back then are still close friends. That's amazing to me, and I'm grateful.
From: KatmanDu (KATMANDU@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU)
Subject: Re: True Lycanthropy
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-12-12 22:15:47 PST
In article <3cinuv$76g@mark.ucdavis.edu>
ez049491@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (James Harrion III) writes:
>Perhaps the word lycanthropy is a bit confusing at this point. Anyone
>besides me heard of the term 'therianthropy' (sp) which is a more general
>term for lycanthropy?
Not until now.. Webster's gives me theriomorphic- having an animal form.
Has possibilities... --katman (who learned a new word today!) du
From: michael william macklin (macklin@hubble.sheridanc.on.ca)
Subject: Re: True Lycanthropy
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-12-14 09:15:21 PST
James Harrion III (ez049491@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu) wrote:
: Perhaps the word lycanthropy is a bit confusing at this point. Anyone
: besides me heard of the term 'therianthropy' (sp) which is a more general
: term for lycanthropy?
I have used the term 'therianthropic' to describe my spirits, as (yes)
lycanthropy is quite specific. They (my wolves) are lycanthropic, but their
shifting is extremely rare, if at all (and never human!).
As I see it, therianthropy applies to *any* human/animal form,
regardless of history, powers, or other attributes.
: : Someone once told me that upon
: : death, a lycanthrope actually becomes a vampyre. Is there any truth to
: : this?
I hope not.
If I found myself after death as a vamp,
I'd put the stake through my own heart......
---Lycaon
"They do it with \"""---c__ \ / __r---"""7
their eyes....." "c / T"\. \ / ,/"T \ c"
Whitley Strieber, The Wild "c ( l I\ \ / /I l ) c"
"I "-' s s `-" I"
Michael.Macklin@SHERIDANC.ON.CA ""-----' `-----""
From: Crystal or Moria (cvf2@cornell.edu)
Subject: Re: True Lycanthropy
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-12-14 14:35:17 PST
In article <d0t99m.mf7@eclipse.sheridanc.on.ca>,
macklin@hubble.sheridanc.on.ca (michael william macklin) wrote:
> : : Someone once told me that upon
> : : death, a lycanthrope actually becomes a vampyre. Is there any truth to
> : : this?
>
> I hope not.
>
> If I found myself after death as a vamp,
> I'd put the stake through my own heart......
*SPLAT* whap-whap-whap-whap-whap-whap!
that, you blasphemous lycanthrope!!
--
Good morning, Worm, Your Honor.
The Crown will plainly show
The prisoner who now stands before you
Was caught red-handed showing feelings...
of an almost human nature.
Shame on him. This will not do.
--Pink Floyd "The Trial"
From: michael william macklin (macklin@hubble.sheridanc.on.ca)
Subject: Re: True Lycanthropy
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-12-16 15:53:57 PST
Crystal or Moria (cvf2@cornell.edu) wrote:
:
: *SPLAT* whap-whap-whap-whap-whap-whap!
: that, you blasphemous lycanthrope!!
:
:
ACK!
Torrle zips around, but not in time to see his marauder's escape!
After shaking loose the now-melting projectiles in his fur, Torrle sneaks
stealthily in her general direction, low to the ground, trying to pick up
her trailing scent....
Noticing a fresh set of tracks, the wolf bounds along them in a
playful attempt to pursue her. The pawprints follow around a large pine
tree with snow-burdened branches that sweep low to the ground, and suddenly
stop. Torrle stands there......confused.
---Lycaon (as Torrle)
"Now where did she go?"
"They do it with \"""---c__ \ / __r---"""7
their eyes....." "c / T"\. \ / ,/"T \ c"
Whitley Strieber, The Wild "c ( l I\ \ / /I l ) c"
"I "-' s s `-" I"
Michael.Macklin@SHERIDANC.ON.CA ""-----' `-----""
From: Crystal or Moria (cvf2@cornell.edu)
Subject: Re: True Lycanthropy
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-12-17 05:03:32 PST
In article <d0xh1x.mrp@eclipse.sheridanc.on.ca>,
macklin@hubble.sheridanc.on.ca (michael william macklin) wrote:
> Crystal or Moria (cvf2@cornell.edu) wrote:
> :
> : *SPLAT* whap-whap-whap-whap-whap-whap!
> : that, you blasphemous lycanthrope!!
> :
> :
>
> ACK!
>
> Torrle zips around, but not in time to see his marauder's escape!
> After shaking loose the now-melting projectiles in his fur, Torrle sneaks
> stealthily in her general direction, low to the ground, trying to pick up
> her trailing scent....
> Noticing a fresh set of tracks, the wolf bounds along them in a
> playful attempt to pursue her. The pawprints follow around a large pine
> tree with snow-burdened branches that sweep low to the ground, and suddenly
> stop. Torrle stands there......confused.
>
> ---Lycaon (as Torrle)
> "Now where did she go?"
Pawprints? Hmm... interesting. What KIND of pawprints? (the vampire
suspects she may not be alone in the tree after all... but what kind of
creature could lie undetected within her personal domain?)
Setting aside puzzling thoughts for the moment, Crystal gives the tree a
good shake, releasing a large cascade of snow that buries the confused
Torrle up to his nose. Now, about those pawprints...
From: KEITH PEPIN (keith.pepin@enest.com)
Subject: Re: True Lycanthropy
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-12-17 06:58:00 PST
-> Torrle zips around, but not in time to see his marauder's escape!
-> After shaking loose the now-melting projectiles in his fur, Torrle
-> sneaks stealthily in her general direction, low to the ground, trying
-> to pick up her trailing scent....
-> Noticing a fresh set of tracks, the wolf bounds along them in a
-> playful attempt to pursue her. The pawprints follow around a large
-> pine tree with snow-burdened branches that sweep low to the ground,
-> and suddenly stop. Torrle stands there......confused.
Keith takes advantage of Torrle's confusion, and freezer scrapings go
[WHOOSH]...
[ducking and running]
Keith Pepin
The Wolf
the_wolf@tmok.com
From: Michael Turner (mturner@primenet.com)
Subject: Re: True Lycanthropy
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-12-21 10:16:39 PST
In article <pine.sol.3.91.941207222852.2109e-100000@utkux1> dranos@utkux1.utk.edu (RICHARD) writes:
>From: dranos@utkux1.utk.edu (RICHARD)
>Subject: True Lycanthropy
>Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 22:45:16 -0500 (EST)
>To those who know:
> I know there are probably not too many lycanthropes on this net as
>they tend to keep to themselves in the wilderness. However, if there are
>some on-line, I have a few questions for you. Is lycanthropy an in-born
>trait or can it be transmitted through other means (like a bite). I know
>lupines hate vampyres, but why are those vampyres from the Gangrel clan
>not attacked?
Arghh!! Don't confuse the White Wolf fantasy game with reality! If you look
in any good dictionary you will see that the word gangrel is actually a
Scottish term for vagrant. If you are really are speaking in terms of the
White Wolf universe on the other hand, I can assure you it is purely a myth
that Gangrels are immune to the scorn of werewolves. On the few occasions
when the Gangrel is accepted by a werewolf, it is because of an initial
misunderstanding as to the true nature of the Gangrel.
In folklore there are many ways to become a werewolf:
-Be born the seventh son of the seven son
-The son of a preacher
-Be bitten by a werewolf (but you knew that)
-Heredity
-Evil deeds
-Become possessed by the appropriate animal spirit
-Find a shaman to teach you the proper ritual
The ritual method usually involves:
- bathing, imbibing, or rubbing on certain herbs which are often
halucinagenic
-donning a wolf or human skin
-running around in the wilderness
-Occasionally, acts of cannibalism
Are they not considered to be part of the corrupting force >(the
Wyrm)? What other lycanthrops are there besides lupines? Do they >all have
the same views of the world as far as the Weaver, the Wyld, and >the Wyrm?
This always puzzled me. In the White Wolf universe most lycanthropes start
off in the wolf or human society. Upon reaching puberity they undergo their
first change. If all goes right they are discovered by their fellow
lycanthropes and adopted into a pack. What I would like to know is how the
adoptee becomes so thoroughly brainwashed into the garou belief system after
having spent most of his/her life in a totally different society.
Can a shapeshifter, being mortal
enemies of vampyres, actually >be Embraced by one (converted into one)?
Yep, it's called an abomination. In theory they are forlorn and regected by
their society, doomed to roam the world alone. In practice they are
game unbalancing monsters who go around kicking everyone's ass.
Someone once told me that upon >death, a lycanthrope actually becomes a
vampyre. Is there any truth to >this? If you do not wish to respond on the
net, my e-mail address >is dranos@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU
I've only ever incountered this myth in Polish folklore. This same folklore
tends to confuse vampire and werewolves so I wouldn't put too much stock in
it. On the other hand Polish folklore seems to talk about the same
phosphorescent (I kid you not), shapechanging blood drinkers that native
Mexican folklore speaks of.
Holly Turner
Tempe, Arizona mturner@primenet.com
From: Holger Alsmeier (holger@radar.sauerland.de)
Subject: Re: True Lycanthropy
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-12-20 17:30:37 PST
dylan@nick.csh.rit.edu (Gary Coulbourne) writes:
#In article <mturner.203.00383e12@primenet.com> mturner@primenet.com (Michael Turner) writes:
#
#I was always led to believe that it was the BASTARD son of a preacher. This
#was used in Neil Jordan's A COMPANY OF WOLVES and Alan Chronister's CRY WOLF.
#
#I may be wrong though...too early in the morning to check my sources.
#
Yeah, sorry, you're kind of wrong. But only kind of. As this is a Roman-Catho-
lic myth (or so I believe), ANY child of a preacher would be a bastard. After
all, they are to live in celibacy - although few of them did (or do). :-]
Howls from the shattered mirror,
H.
From: Crystal or Moria (cvf2@cornell.edu)
Subject: Re: True Lycanthropy
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-12-22 06:16:24 PST
In article <788002237snx@radar.sauerland.de>, holger@radar.sauerland.de
(Holger Alsmeier) wrote:
>
> Yeah, sorry, you're kind of wrong. But only kind of. As this is a Roman-Catho-
> lic myth (or so I believe), ANY child of a preacher would be a bastard.
>
Ah, but R.C. has padres or priests, not preachers, ministers, or pastors;
who are protestant. At least in the education I recieved.
Moria, who is feeling picky.
From: Michael Turner (mturner@primenet.com)
Subject: Re: True Lycanthropy
Date: 1994-12-28 15:48:05 PST
In article <788002237snx@radar.sauerland.de> holger@radar.sauerland.de (Holger Alsmeier) writes:
>From: holger@radar.sauerland.de (Holger Alsmeier)
>Subject: Re: True Lycanthropy
>Date: Wed, 21 Dec 94 02:30:37 +0100
> dylan@nick.csh.rit.edu (Gary Coulbourne) writes:
>#In article <mturner.203.00383e12@primenet.com> mturner@primenet.com (Michael
>Turner) writes:
>#
>#I was always led to believe that it was the BASTARD son of a preacher. This
>#was used in Neil Jordan's A COMPANY OF WOLVES and Alan Chronister's CRY WOLF.
>#
>#I may be wrong though...too early in the morning to check my sources.
>#
>Yeah, sorry, you're kind of wrong. But only kind of. As this is a Roman-Catho-
>lic myth (or so I believe), ANY child of a preacher would be a bastard. After
>all, they are to live in celibacy - although few of them did (or do). :-]
> Howls from the shattered mirror,
> H.
Oh dear, my Catholic upbringing is showing. I'll have to be more careful.
I believe the bastard son of a preacher is also correct. Since Catholic
priests are supposed to be celibate then all their children would be bastards.
Add to the list of potential werewolves anyone who has been excommunicated
from the church.
Holly Turner
Tempe, Arizona mturner@primenet.com
From: SMASH of the TUCHUX (smash@cse.utoledo.edu)
Subject: Re: How do you know....
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-11-14 21:46:08 PST
=============================================================================
: So what happens to weres who never realize it? Does it kind of 'spill over'
: into the rest of their lives that they're basically unfulfilled and don't
: know it?
Well, we had the long thread about the hollow spot that everyone has.
It must be filled in order to feel complete. Most people try to fill
it with material things,a nd believe that he who dies with th most
toys wins. Not entirely true. The hollow spot can only really be
filled with spiritual things such as love, wisdom, companionship,
belonging,a nd the like. Material things only offer temporary fixes
for the emptiness of the hollow spot, and are soon replaced with more
material junk.
But the spiritual "belongings" such as the kind mentioned above can
last forever. They are what makes up who we are, and what can be
referred to as charachter.
Part of my Lycanthropy is the gathering of the wisdom to know what
offerings in my life will fill the hollow spot, and what will only
clutter it up.
Look at the lyric in my .sig file below. I don't know the name of
the band who sings it yet. I hear it in the car, and thought that
those lines (First part of the CHorus) mad a pretty profound statement
about the way the youth of our country is being brought up in a almost
entirely material world.
: : "I'm a 21st Century digital boy...
: : I donno how to live,
: : but I got a lotta toys!
: :
: : MY daddy's a lazy middle class intellectual...
: : my mommy's on valium..."
|==============================================| I'm a 21st Century digital
| | boy... I dunno how to live,
| smash@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu | but I got a lotta toys...
| *THE PARTICLE BOARD* BBS (419)531-4818 | /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
| War Eagle Clan : Mighty Tribe of the TUCHUX! | \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
|"I have taken all knowlege to be my province" | In Wildness is the pres-
| - Francis Bacon| ervation of the world. So
|==============================================| Seek the WOLF in Thyself!
Also check out "Self Esteem" by The Offspring - A rippin tune if I must say so myself
From: Windigo The Feral (windigo@thepoint.com)
Subject: Re: How do you know....
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-11-18 17:17:19 PST
ez049491@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (James Harrion III) writes:
:So what happens to weres who never realize it? Does it kind of 'spill over'
:into the rest of their lives that they're basically unfulfilled and don't
:know it?
Generally that, but to a very severe degree; many actually go insane, or
think they're fucking nuts because they would like to strip off their
clothes and go totally feral, but they don't know why...
Generally, weres who never realize that they're weres end up as loners or
with a lot of problems stemming from the fact they're unfufilled, not
unlike gay people in fundamentalist communities.
*gentle nuzzle*
--
-Windigo The Feral (NYAR!) -- Home Sec., aka Dobe Warrior Artemis--KtT,
CCA--St., COB, COTABI--The 2000AD Mailinglist is now OPEN! Send mail to
mailserv@thepoint.com saying "sub thrillpower" (your address) in body to
subscribe...FTP archive at ftp.thepoint.com, dir /pub/text/thrillpower/
From: KatmanDu (KATMANDU@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU)
Subject: Re: How do you know....
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-11-25 22:14:16 PST
In article <3b064a$6o6@newsbf01.news.aol.com>
nextwizard@aol.com (NextWizard) writes:
>Do you have to be born with a certain sense (?) to be a were, or can it
>just happen?
I think it could go three ways: You're born that way; something makes you that
way; or you actively seek to be that way. Me, I think I'm a little #1 and a
lot #3...
From: NextWizard (nextwizard@aol.com)
Subject: Re: How do you know....
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-11-26 04:45:17 PST
In article <1707A116A.KATMANDU@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>, KATMANDU@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
(KatmanDu) writes:
:I think it could go three ways: You're born that way; something makes you that
:way; or you actively seek to be that way. Me, I think I'm a little #1 and
a
lot #3...
Actively seek to be that way, huh? Actively. This is as active as I
usually am, at least with trying to be that way. I've made many trips to
the library and stuff like that. I guess all I have to do now is wait,
right? :-)
From: KatmanDu (KATMANDU@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU)
Subject: Re: How do you know....
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-11-26 13:32:34 PST
In article <3b7akt$lfn@newsbf01.news.aol.com>
nextwizard@aol.com (NextWizard) writes:
>Actively seek to be that way, huh? Actively. This is as active as I
>usually am, at least with trying to be that way. I've made many trips to
>the library and stuff like that. I guess all I have to do now is wait,
>right? :-)
Seek it here *points to head* and here *points to heart*.
--KatmanDu
From: Emil Gilliam (emilg@okcforum.osrhe.edu)
Subject: Shapeshifting meditation/visualization
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-11-14 20:13:06 PST
Yes, it's me again, the one who posted the "sensation of shapeshifting"
question a couple of weeks ago.
Although I'm not into "spiritual lycanthropy" in the sense that many
regular posters on a.h.ww are, I have been interested in simple meditation
exercises which cause a rudimentary sensation of shape- or size-shifting.
I figured out an easy one which you all might be interested in. (Sorry if
this is off-topic. It may be up to the more frequent posters here to
decide whether or not it's off-topic.)
While in bed, lie on your back. Then, with your elbows resting on the
bed to either side of you, point your upper arms straight up, and point
your palms inward. Your hands should be 1.5 to 2 feet from your face, and
maybe 1 foot from each other. Your hands should also be relaxed, in their
natural slightly-curled position. Then, (while your eyes are closed and
you are visualizing this) very slowly open your hands until they are
outstretched and open as much as possible. If you concentrate right, (and
it's easy to do this, at least for me) it will feel like your hands are
actually growing as you open them, to maybe double or triple their size.
Also, for the opposite effect, very slowly start closing your hands,
without making a fist (just until your fingers meet at a point). They
might feel like they are shrinking. (Actually, for me it works better if I
do one hand first and then the other hand. I'm left-handed, but for me it
works better if I do the right hand first.)
Don't be too hasty about it; it takes a few minutes to where you have a
sustainable illusion of your hands feeling 2X or 3X the size. Once I got
it to this point, then, without making any further movement (just through
simple concentration) I felt like my forearms were lengthening, then my
upper arms, my legs & torso, and that my head was growing until I felt
maybe 12 feet tall.
This is about as far as my knowledge goes when it comes to meditation
techniques. There may be better message areas for this. However, I just
thought I'd mention it because along with the size-shifting sensation I
mentioned above, it might be used as a framework for simple visualization
exercises for shapeshifting into the wereanimal of your choice.
To anyone who cares, please try it and post a message saying whether or
not it had any effect at all, and whether any interesting results occured
at all after you had the basic procedure down pat. Flames to /dev/null,
please -- some of you probably know much more about this than I do; I
mentioned this because it's not hard to do and would be a simple thing to
try.
Emil Gilliam
P.S. If it worked better for you with one hand first, tell in your post
whether it was your right hand or left hand that worked better when you did
it with that hand first, and also tell whether you're left-handed or
right-handed. I doubt that there will be any correlation, but you never
can tell.
From: SMASH of the TUCHUX (smash@cse.utoledo.edu)
Subject: Re: Shapeshifting meditation/visualization
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-11-15 18:56:11 PST
Emil Gilliam (emilg@okcforum.osrhe.edu) wrote:
: Yes, it's me again, the one who posted the "sensation of shapeshifting"
: question a couple of weeks ago.
: To anyone who cares, please try it and post a message saying whether or
: not it had any effect at all, and whether any interesting results occured
: at all after you had the basic procedure down pat. Flames to /dev/null,
: please -- some of you probably know much more about this than I do; I
: mentioned this because it's not hard to do and would be a simple thing to
: try.
: Emil Gilliam
: P.S. If it worked better for you with one hand first, tell in your post
: whether it was your right hand or left hand that worked better when you did
: it with that hand first, and also tell whether you're left-handed or
: right-handed. I doubt that there will be any correlation, but you never
: can tell.
I'm right handed... I tried it with my right hand first. I dit it as I sat
here alone at work at night, sitting setentarilyt at the computer, AS I read
your post. I didn't even have to be lying down, just relaxed.
Yer on the right track though. With similar thought patterns, I have been
able to create the experience of leaving my body, even to the feeling of
slipping through my skin, which incedentally felt like my body was sliding
through a thick meniscus on top of water, or gelatin, or something like that.
Rather unique. It is probably the closest sensation one could imagine a
baby feels as it exit's it's mother's womb at birth. Only I didn't exit
into coldness, I exited into neutrality, and I could see myself below. I
was only about a foot above... When I realized just what I had acomplished,
I slammed back down, and jumped up out of bed.
I have found that atmospherics help bring me to a centered state to do this
sort of thing, burning incense, or sage, or other sacred herbs, colored,
or candle light, and perhaps appropriate music to "neutralize" the
often too material feel of the room surrounding me... to give the mechanical
world a more natural feel.
--
|==============================================| I'm a 21st Century digital
| | boy... I dunno how to live,
| smash@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu | but I got a lotta toys...
| *THE PARTICLE BOARD* BBS (419)531-4818 | /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
| War Eagle Clan : Mighty Tribe of the TUCHUX! | \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
|"I have taken all knowlege to be my province" | In Wildness is the pres-
| - Francis Bacon| ervation of the world. So
|==============================================| Seek the WOLF in Thyself!
From: Kenneth D Miller (kdmiller@ATHENA.MIT.EDU)
Subject: just a question
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-11-12 13:14:01 PST
Hello again, I have just a little question for you all, relating to were-ness
and race. Please note that this is independent of whether I or you think
physical weres exist, since it relates to my fictional background and not the
real world.
1. Are human-form race and were-form species related?
Specifically, if you assume that a given were-type would originate in the
same region that the normal animal lives, would the were's human form resemble
the people indiginous to that region, or something different?
2. Another good "hmmmm..." question for you all is, should physical shape-
shifters be genetically compatible with normal people (including "spiritual
weres", which are humans with more developed psychic force)
3. Do you think that shapeshifters would be distinctly different from normal
people. I.e., if you compared a large number of shifters and humans, would
there be any detectable difference (larger, stronger, tougher, faster, more
aggressive?)
4. Can shapechangers go "all the way" to animal form, with various intermediate
stages (a la Werewolf: the Apocalypse), or go no further than a half-human
form (a la K.O. Century Beast)? Or, can they do nothing BUT go to animal form
(a la conventional legend)?
MY current answeres to the questions are:
1. Weres resemble the native humans becaue they developed in similar
environments. For instance, werelions in africa and weretigers in India have
dark skin due to the hot sun.
2. I currently say no, humans & shifters aren't compatible, but sometimes I
change my mind. It boils down to whether I think weres are genetically/
magically/nanotechnologically enhanced warriors created long ago (or in the
far future), or they're actually humanity's true form, or they're a particular
branch of paranaturally-gifted humans. It varies, so the answer varies.
3. I currently say yes. Even in human form, they derive some physical
characteristics from their beast half. That is, they never become "completely"
human. If you like the paranatural explanation, maybe it's an outward sign of
their "totem animal"
4. I originaly went for a halfway-approach. Then I came up with the same
approach W:tA used (though years earlier, and without the angst-ridden
background... B^>). Now I'm entertaining notions of going back to the halfway
approach. Mind you, this final form is very animal-like, except that it is
intelligent and capable of standing upright.
Ah well, enough for today. Have fun...
--
Ken! "Evil is afoot!"
"Really, that's very philosophical, Tick. A foot? I always
envisioned evil as a dark, brooding shape with sqinty eyes..."
From: James Harrion III (ez049491@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu)
Subject: Re: just a question
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-11-12 14:31:46 PST
Kenneth D Miller (kdmiller@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) wrote:
: Hello again, I have just a little question for you all, relating to were-ness
: and race. Please note that this is independent of whether I or you think
: physical weres exist, since it relates to my fictional background and not the
: real world.
: 1. Are human-form race and were-form species related?
: Specifically, if you assume that a given were-type would originate in the
: same region that the normal animal lives, would the were's human form resemble
: the people indiginous to that region, or something different?
I'm actually really curious. I hate to answer a question with a question,
but here goes:
If two different kinds of weres had children, would the children be weres
as well?
: 2. Another good "hmmmm..." question for you all is, should physical shape-
: shifters be genetically compatible with normal people (including "spiritual
: weres", which are humans with more developed psychic force)
Genetically compatible, I think so. Socially compatible is another matter
entirely. This is kind of personal, but does anyone here have were parents
or are they human?
: 3. Do you think that shapeshifters would be distinctly different from normal
: people. I.e., if you compared a large number of shifters and humans, would
: there be any detectable difference (larger, stronger, tougher, faster, more
: aggressive?)
Wouldn't a more relevant comparison be between individuals of the same
werespecies? After all, werebears are going to have a lot more in common
with each other than with the windigowak or the werewolves. However, if you
did make this comparison I think you would find a difference, but I'm not
sure exactly what.
: 4. Can shapechangers go "all the way" to animal form, with various intermediate
: stages (a la Werewolf: the Apocalypse), or go no further than a half-human
: form (a la K.O. Century Beast)? Or, can they do nothing BUT go to animal form
: (a la conventional legend)?
I really have no idea. I've never physically shapeshifted.
: MY current answeres to the questions are:
: 1. Weres resemble the native humans becaue they developed in similar
: environments. For instance, werelions in africa and weretigers in India have
: dark skin due to the hot sun.
If this is true, though, would a werelion that moved to Alaska grow a thicker
coat and adapt to the climate?
: 2. I currently say no, humans & shifters aren't compatible, but sometimes I
: change my mind. It boils down to whether I think weres are genetically/
: magically/nanotechnologically enhanced warriors created long ago (or in the
: far future), or they're actually humanity's true form, or they're a particular
: branch of paranaturally-gifted humans. It varies, so the answer varies.
Remember, if shifters and humans are incompatible then everyone here who
thinks they have normal parents was either adopted or had shifter parents,
assuming of course becoming a shifter is genetic. I will say now this may be
a potentially invalid assumption.
: 3. I currently say yes. Even in human form, they derive some physical
: characteristics from their beast half. That is, they never become "completely"
: human. If you like the paranatural explanation, maybe it's an outward sign of
: their "totem animal"
: 4. I originaly went for a halfway-approach. Then I came up with the same
: approach W:tA used (though years earlier, and without the angst-ridden
: background... B^>). Now I'm entertaining notions of going back to the halfway
: approach. Mind you, this final form is very animal-like, except that it is
: intelligent and capable of standing upright.
Just my $.02
JHIII
"You think I speak for the University of California? Yeah, right!"
From: Julie Ann Swindell (jaswinde@unity.ncsu.edu)
Subject: Re: just a question
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-11-14 09:27:16 PST
In article <3a3foi$gh0@mark.ucdavis.edu>,
James Harrion III <ez049491@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu> wrote:
>Kenneth D Miller (kdmiller@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) wrote:
>
>Genetically compatible, I think so. Socially compatible is another matter
>entirely. This is kind of personal, but does anyone here have were parents
>or are they human?
>
Well my mom taught me to howl at the moon when I was young, but
she just may have been nurturing me.
>Just my $.02
>
>JHIII
>"You think I speak for the University of California? Yeah, right!"
>
>: Ah well, enough for today. Have fun...
>: --
>: Ken! "Evil is afoot!"
>: "Really, that's very philosophical, Tick. A foot? I always
>: envisioned evil as a dark, brooding shape with sqinty eyes..."
Dreamdance
From: Jan Hilborn (jhilborn@moose.uvm.edu)
Subject: Re: just a question
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1994-11-13 13:00:56 PST
Kenneth D Miller (kdmiller@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) wrote:
: 1. Are human-form race and were-form species related?
hmmm, well, i think: not. To my mind the wereform would be whatever
species most closely matched the humanform's "self". Probably someone who
had never heard of lions could not be a werelion but someone with were
tendencies could find their wereself in any known (to them) species.
: 2. Another good "hmmmm..." question for you all is, should physical shape-
: shifters be genetically compatible with normal people (including "spiritual
: weres", which are humans with more developed psychic force)
i think yes. I think of weres as humans with some difference (just as
dogs are wolves with some differnce).
: 3. Do you think that shapeshifters would be distinctly different from normal
: people. I.e., if you compared a large number of shifters and humans, would
: there be any detectable difference (larger, stronger, tougher, faster, more
: aggressive?)
maybe. (gee, i've voted one no, one yes, and now a maybe... what a
consistant child i am). Maybe within a were type (wolves for exampple)
there might be some detectable trend. But i'm skepticle... humans are
such a variable species that any trend would only be that... there would
always be werelike humans and non-werelike weres.
: 4. Can shapechangers go "all the way" to animal form, with various intermediate
: stages (a la Werewolf: the Apocalypse), or go no further than a half-human
: form (a la K.O. Century Beast)? Or, can they do nothing BUT go to animal form
: (a la conventional legend)?
i only envision two forms... human and animal... both with some sense of
the other and some abilities. Wolf with human thoughts, human with wolf
senses... that sorta stuff...
but these certainly are only my points of view...
Vladwolf
