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From: KatmanDu (KATMANDU@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU)
Subject: date ahww was created
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1995-03-28 07:28:54 PST

Well, just in case you ever wanted to find out when a group was created...
Apparently, alt.config discussions of group creations are archived on
ftp.uu.net, in the /usenet/control subdirectory. It says alt.horror.werewolves
was created on Nov. 16, 1992.

Just a little bit of useless trivia to start the day. :)

Message 2 in thread
From: z_coolidgejs@titan.sfasu.edu (z_coolidgejs@titan.sfasu.edu)
Subject: Re: date ahww was created
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1995-03-29 05:48:53 PST

In article <@#$%@#$%>, KATMANDU@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (KatmanDu) writes:
> Well, just in case you ever wanted to find out when a group was created...
> Apparently, alt.config discussions of group creations are archived on
> ftp.uu.net, in the /usenet/control subdirectory. It says alt.horror.werewolves
> was created on Nov. 16, 1992.

Well, our pack has a birthday. I remember that day. I had to run
upstairs and bug the local people for a week before we'd carry the site. And
then, when we got it, no one else had found it yet. So, I had my own private
little newsgroup to howl.
I'm glad it's gotten a lot bigger now, and I wish I hadn't gotten too
bogged down with classes to keep up the whole way along.

z_coolidgejs@titan.sfasu.edu Jon Coolidge / "Grumble Djon"
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...And the wind will blow my fears away "Brother Wolf,
...And drive my tears away..." Sister Moon"

Message 3 in thread
From: Tracker_wolf
Subject: Re: date ahww was created
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1995-03-29 12:52:58 PST

KatmanDu (KATMANDU@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU) wrote:

: It says alt.horror.werewolves was created on Nov. 16, 1992.

"Where were you when AHWW was created?"

"Well... I... er..."

"C'mon! *Everyone* remembers where they were when they first heard the
news!"

Heh heh heh. (Wow, my sense of humour just gets more and more twisted)

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.-- Tracker_wolf --------------------------------------------------.
\ \ AHWW Cyberpack member, lupophile, \
\"Let every thought, every word, \ AHWW HelpStaffer, lupine zoologist,\
\ and every action be for the \ Short story writer & Amiganut. \
\ good of the pack" - Ragisthor \ Often found on FurryMUCK and SPR \
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******


From: GunnerGirl (gunnergirl@aol.com)
Subject: Another question for all Weres
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1995-03-28 09:51:34 PST

Hello again my dears. After a bout with the "Michaelangelo virus", I'm
back online again, and I have yet another round of questions.
First, do any of you feel you have a sixth sense that stems from your
Were status?
Second, what are your theories regarding life after death? Do you
believe your Were status is going to influence what happens when you "pass
on"?

Regarding Derek Huston's appraisel of "Silver Bullet": I found the film
entertaining in the Hollywood sense, but the depiction of the werewolf was
utterly predictable and stereotypical. "Wolf" was much more appropriate,
and in my beliefs, more accurate. I personally prefer the appearance of
the werewolves in the old "Werewolf" TV series, and in "The Howling", but
I abhor the portrayal of shapeshifters as evil, slavering monsters. It
seems to me that Hollywood, and most people in general, forget about the
wolf nature when they create werewolves. Wolves are shy, loyal,
compassionate (for the most part) creatures, anf the wolf influence would
remain strong in a wolf/human hybrid.
Enough babbling. Please, all of you, feel free to comment on anything
I've mentioned.

Magic's in the air,
Walks-Between-Worlds

From: Simon Bennett (kitsune@tartarus.uwa.edu.au)
Subject: Re: Another question for all Weres
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1995-03-28 20:37:04 PST

GunnerGirl (gunnergirl@aol.com) wrote:


: I abhor the portrayal of shapeshifters as evil, slavering monsters. It
: seems to me that Hollywood, and most people in general, forget about the
: wolf nature when they create werewolves. Wolves are shy, loyal,
: compassionate (for the most part) creatures, anf the wolf influence would
: remain strong in a wolf/human hybrid.



: Magic's in the air,
: Walks-Between-Worlds

I got this CD the other day - has anyone out there still got memories of
those chhose-your-own-adventure books you could get - you had to make a
decision at the end of each page which could either get you killed or
have you finish the story.... anyway i recently got the CD equivalent of
it from TSR - Terror T.R.A.X. - Track of the Werewolf. oohhhhhh boy, this
was a *highly* amusing CD, if only for the total lack of shame on the
part of the actors involved. the basic plot runs something like this...

TRAX is an organisation like the X-Files - they are called in when
something really spooky happens and the cops can't deal with it. One
night someone rings up claiming that he is 'changing' amidst a load of
screaming and wailing. He 'identifies' himself as "lupe garou" (which any
one who has studied French/werewolf mythology will know is "werewolf" in
French) and is eventually yanked off the phone howling in pain.
Literally.. that's just track one. The entire thing turns out to be a
conspiracy of animal-liberationist weres going on a rampage and trying to
kill/destroy everything they find. Boats, slaughterhouses, political
figures and the like... the thing that irks me is that they are portrayed
as an army. eg.. in one scene one of the weres is heard to complain (in a
growled voice which is hard not to laugh at):

"We only get the one night to run around as werewolves" (or something
similar)

Suddenly one of the more "dedicated" members of the pack grabs him by the
throat and says:

"What is the Law of the Pack ??"

"He talks, we listen...... he says, we do......"

a little social commentary there ? who knows... some of it borders on the
satirical but most of it revolves around werewolves and conservationists
being the bad guys and the miltary/TRAX/cops being the good guys... on
the whole the militaristic, brutal, beastly portayal of the weres had me
on the floor howling with laughter... for anyone in this newsgroup it's
good for a laugh...

anyway, that's my long post's worth... bye now..

(the fox goes back to sweating his furry bum off in the hot, sticky weather)

kitsune


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From: Master of mystery (vaross@netaxs.com)
Subject: Re: Another question for all Weres
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1995-03-29 09:34:07 PST

Most forget that there is a benevolent variety of shifters out
there.

--
Vaross, Master of Mystery @netaxs.com...finger if you must, but remember,
don't stick it out if you do not intend on using it..:) FAX it! Send cool
pictures to : 1-(516)-928-6045 FAX/grp3 compatible, 2400 bps+
"Hey, is this someone's butt, or 15 pounds of lumpy cookie dough?! "
technophilelycanthropewaccywiccanchocolatelovingandpleasemindthetail


From: weiss david troy (d-weiss@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu)
Subject: Re: Another question for all Weres
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1995-03-29 16:24:40 PST

Walks-Between-Worlds,

Sorry to hear about yer bout with the virus; glad to see ya recovered.

Welcome back!

About life after death... I'm a reincarnationist.

(Rimblesah puts on a bad Arnold Schwartzenegger (sp?) accent and says, "I'll
be back!")

I don't think my Wereness will really impact anything, though I do believe
that it's a constant part of my self; I'll be a Were forever.

(Rimblesah hugs Walks-Between-Worlds.)

Again, welcome back, fellow feline o' mine!

-Rimblesah
Just say "no" to... being normal!

******


From: MegaDog (megadog@dogstar.win-uk.net)
Subject: Ergot, Lycanthropy, Shapeshifting....
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1995-03-28 12:54:02 PST

Ergot and Lycanthropy
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

By MegaDog and his brother (who has a BS in Organic Chemistry)]

How many of you ever thought of your local bakery as a possible source of
werewolf beliefs?

Or of hallucinogenic drugs?

In medieval times, it could have been both.

Ergot [Claviceps purpurea] is a parasitic fungus that can be found growing
on rye or other cereal grasses. Rye grass is by far the most widespread
species parasitized, though wheat and barley are also commonly affected.
The 'ergots' appear as a blackish-purple club-shaped growth [sclerotia] on
the tops of the rye where the seeds are, and are referred to as "heads of
ergot"; from these heads sprout the Claviceps purpurea fungal fruiting
bodies. They have long stems with bulbous heads when seen under a strong
glass or microscope.

See reference [1] for more information.

Ergot naturally produces a wide range of chemical compounds, the ones
of relevance here are collectively known as the "Ergot Alkaloids", and
include ergotamine, ergosine and beta-ergosine, ergonine, ergovaline,
ergostine, ergotine and beta-ergotine, ergocornine, ergocristine,
ergocryptine and beta-ergocryptine. These compounds all have some degree
of psychoactivity; indeed LSD was first synthesized from ergot compounds.
Their other major medical effect is vasoconstriction [narrowing of blood
vessels], which, if severe, can lead to gangrene of the extremities.

Ergotamine has medical uses; for example it is frequently prescribed
[often in combination with caffeine] as a therapy for migraine headaches.

Ergot was a widespread parasite of cereal grains in europe in the
middle-ages, growing particularly well during excessively damp summers.
The psychoactive components of ergot are *not* broken down by heat, so it
is fair to assume that they would be present in bread baked from flour
milled from ergotized grains. There was a significant outbreak of
ergot-poisoning in France in the early 1950's; this outbreak gives a
good insight into what may have been experienced in medieval times.

Symptoms of ergot poisoning include hallucinations [the 1950's French
victims reported 'being chased or attacked by horrible beasts', 'terror
of the dark', and 'feeling that my body was not mine'] together with
tingling/burning sensations in the extremities & the scalp.

These tingling sensations were known in medieval times as "St. Anthony's
Fire", after the saint to whom sufferers prayed for relief.

It is not hard to imagine how an outbreak of ergot-poisoning, or, IMHO,
more likely, an ongoing low level of ergotisation, could lead to the
development of a werewolf-legend, the 'pursuit by horrible beasts'
hallucination being probably the most likely cause, however the 'tingling
& loss of sensation in the extremities' effect could possibly have been
interpreted as shapeshifting?

For those interested in more detail of such things, see references [2]
and [3].

WARNING
~~~~~~~
If any of you are thinking of experimenting with Ergot at home, I would
discourage this most strongly! To back this up, here is an abstract from
a medical toxicology file I just happened to have to hand....

Ergotamine:
~~~~~~~~~~~
Acute effects:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
May be fatal if inhaled, swallowed, or absorbed through the skin.

Exposure can cause:
Nausea, dizziness and headache, stomach pains, vomiting, diarrhea.
Other symptoms include:
Thirst, changes in blood pressure and heart rate, tingling in the
extremities and confusion.

Chronic effects:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
An Oxytocic; in pregnant women may result in abortion or fetal harm.

Can cause menstrual dysfunction and sterility.

Other effects include peripheral circulatory disturbances and gangrene.
Possible mutagen.


References:-
~~~~~~~~~~~~
[1] "Collins Guide to Mushrooms and Toadstools" by Morten Lange and
F. Bayard Hora. 1978
Description of characteristics of ergot, its distribution & life cycle.

[2] Fuller, John Grant,_The Day of St Anthonys Fire_, NY: Macmillan,
1968.
This is a look at outbreaks of hallucinations and other bizarre
behavior believed to have been caused by ergot infections.

[3] Matossian, Mary Kilbourne, _Poisons of the Past: Molds, Epidemics
& History_, New Haven: Yale Univ Press, 1989.
This book covers more ground, from the Middle Ages to witchcraft scares
in Europe. She has charts, maps and graphs to illustrate her findings.

-:MegaDog:-

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-Anton Szandor LaVey
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From: Kitsune (Kitsune@metaphor.demon.co.uk)
Subject: Re: Ergot, Lycanthropy, Shapeshifting....
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Date: 1995-03-28 23:32:00 PST

In article <578@dogstar.win-uk.net> megadog@dogstar.win-uk.net writes:

> How many of you ever thought of your local bakery as a possible source of
> werewolf beliefs?
>
> Or of hallucinogenic drugs?
>
> In medieval times, it could have been both.

Yes, I'd read of the effects of ergot somewhere before.
Makes you wonder about all sorts of historical events, doesn't it?

--
Kitsune

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- Havelock Ellis

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